What if prop 30 and 38 pass

But there's more nuance to it than that. Brown argued that whichever gets more votes, the winning measure only precludes certain provisions -- and not the entirety -- of the losing measure from going into effect. That means a dogged proponent could pick through the pieces like scrap from the scrapyard and try to salvage what remained, possibly even fighting in court to get the parts worked into the winning measure.

For instance, in addition to the income tax hike, Prop 30 calls for an increase to the state sales tax to fund local public safety programs. If 30 were to pass but get fewer votes than Prop 38, it stands to reason that the income tax hike and the education funding tied to it would get the axe, while the sales tax and the public safety funding could pass into law.

That line of thought may amount to wishful thinking, or it may be sound strategy. It's tough to say. Representatives of the California Legislative Analyst's Office , which is charged with providing nonpartisan fiscal and policy analysis of state bills and voter initiatives, would not surmise either way. Their official assessment is included in the voter information guide in a special pullout box under the heading, "What Happens if Voters Approve Both Proposition 30 and Proposition 38?

That's something that would need to be interpreted," said Edgar Cabral, the principal fiscal and policy analyst for the LAO. It's unclear whether the Franchise Tax Board or courts would simply step in to decide which pieces are valid, or whether someone would need to file a formal complaint first.

Either way, that scenario could spell delays and ratchet up the ultimate cost of the election. But Jason Sisney, the deputy legislative analyst, said there would be incentives for courts to act very quickly.

Sisney may also have offered the most honest observation possible of this tax measure showdown when he prefaced our conversation this way: "I don't know if we've had quite this situation with two high-profile tax measures. So we don't know quite what would happen. Neither campaign is actively encouraging people to vote for both measures. Nor are they going out of their way to harm each other. That doesn't make any sense for us, because we're a tax measure," said Nathan Ballard, a campaign strategist for Prop Meanwhile, at least one major stakeholder in the Prop 30 campaign has indicated that they believe they could still eke out a partial victory if their measure passes but gets edged out by However, that still leaves the sales tax portion of Prop 30," said Fred Glass, communications director for the California Federation of Teachers , which is one of the biggest financial backers of the measure.

Glass acknowledged that if push comes to shove, they would be willing to go to court to salvage what they can of the measure. In the end, though, electoral strategies like the one proposed by Educate Our State exist precisely because we cannot predict the future.

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Become a KCRW member. Subscribe to our Podcasts. Donate to KCRW. I am Maureen Cavanaugh. This election San Diego voters will be joining the rest of California in deciding if they are ready to pay more to fund the schools.

Jerry Brown is pushing his tax initiative proposition 30 which supporters will say will stop cuts to schools this year and provide money for schools and public safety in the future. But that is not the only school funding measure on the ballot.

Supporters of prop 38 say their tax measure is the only one that will increase California school funding. Clifford says that budget cuts have put the school in a bind.

SHAW: My son's elementary school has no music unless it is paid for by fundraising. My son's elementary school has no art unless it is paid for by parent fundraising. Jerry Brown is behind proposition Clifford, who is also a teacher the language Academy says supporting Brown's measure is the fairest way to go because it will not cut far into middle income pocketbooks.

And yet we are going to be willing to pay the extra sales tax. That income that is coming in will start right away. Them would raise income taxes on all but the poorest Californians on between. But, Shaw says that's just the start of the differences between the two propositions. SHAW: The one that means the most to me is the setting up a set of independent independent trust fund that will collect prop 38 revenue and disperse it directly to schools on a per child basis. The separate account is key for Shaw because she says state lawmakers have a history of finding ways around California's minimum school funding guarantee.

SHAW: Voters in California are sick of the funds getting ripped off by funds getting diverted out of the general fund for something else. In future years the money would free up other state funds for other programs, not necessarily increase funding for schools, but Clifford says that's part of why she supports the measure.

Our kids are not going to learn if they don't have basic needs met. Half 1 billion from universities and million total from other State Department and local public safety grants. Many education supporters and click San Diego you to stay unified's education is asking voters to vote yes on both measures. If both passive pass in November this initiative with the most yes votes would be the one to go into effect reports Pres.

John Evans says every voter who supports both the sending a clear message to legislators. We ranked 47th in the nation in terms of per-pupil funding and this is not acceptable. CHRIS CATE: If education is a priority they should be focusing on that rather than wasting my time energy and money on things like high-speed rail or other pet projects they want to get done.

Hi, Thad, thank you for doing this. So, they would see the funding reduction if proposition 30 doesn't pass and in that way property does specifically have money for higher education and proposition 30 it doesn't specifically direct any funds to higher education but it's supporters contend because it's a portion of the money raised by proposition 38 would go toward paying off state debts to schools.

They sort of have delayed funding that they are committed to sending to schools. So proposition 38 includes money to pay down those debts, and so it's supporters say that by paying down the debt that would free up other state funds that could be spent on things like higher education.

And so they are both technically correct saying all the money goes to schools but what both of the measures do is they free up money that the legislature can use on public safety higher education Health and Human Services all the other areas which have actually taken bigger hits in the budget in the last few years than schools so the debt repayment provided by prop 38 and the money and prop 30 that would go into help solving sort of reducing the cuts that need to be made in other areas both of them would spread money around to the other areas of state government that many folks say is desperately needed.

Proposition 30 is aimed at the highest earners plus a sales tax data, who would pay prop 38 tax increase? What is that place?